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Re: Need some help
April 20, 2013 03:56PM






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Re: Need some help
April 20, 2013 04:58PM
Okay, so looks its not possible, especially with the carbs popping up what looks to be really close to the hood. So how would something like that be stiffened in the front? Braces from the fire wall? Stitch welding everything up front? Or does the front end even need to be stiffened besides shocks and struts? From what I could find it looks like it has upper-lower A-arm set up, correct?
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Re: Need some help
April 20, 2013 06:35PM
3/4 inch electrical conduit, hammer the ends flat, sheet metal screws to top of wheel arches. Ta-da! braced in 15 minutes for $2!
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Re: Need some help
April 20, 2013 09:30PM
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3/4 inch electrical conduit, hammer the ends flat, sheet metal screws to top of wheel arches. Ta-da! braced in 15 minutes for $2!

Remember! 2 per side so it can't rotate around one.

Otherwise, brilliant.



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Re: Need some help
April 22, 2013 10:36AM
Had customer that autoX'd one of those old Volvo years ago. He had a 1" strap bolted to the drivers side of engine and the drivers innner fender with a rubber exhaust washer for dampening at the fender. After I welded the tear in the fender a couple of times he finally decided to remove the brace.
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Re: Need some help
April 22, 2013 10:56AM
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3/4 inch electrical conduit, hammer the ends flat, sheet metal screws to top of wheel arches. Ta-da! braced in 15 minutes for $2!

:nod:

Except 1/2" is plenty sufficient since it's end loaded tubing.

You might recognize this car Al.



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Remember! 2 per side so it can't rotate around one.

Otherwise, brilliant.

Ja ja..

As I said no hard points on a 140 so he's going to have to tuck it in between the fender and the fender apron on a 140, and figure out things at the firewall.



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Re: Need some help
April 22, 2013 11:13AM
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Had customer that autoX'd one of those old Volvo years ago. He had a 1" strap bolted to the drivers side of engine and the drivers innner fender with a rubber exhaust washer for dampening at the fender. After I welded the tear in the fender a couple of times he finally decided to remove the brace.

:uh:

You should have charged him a bunch of money to triangulate the strap through a D ring, and out to some hard points.



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Re: Need some help
April 22, 2013 10:40PM
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Ken have you got to plate along the firewall where the braces bolt up yet? The nuts crack and tear right out.



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Re: Need some help
April 22, 2013 11:39PM
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Ken have you got to plate along the firewall where the braces bolt up yet? The nuts crack and tear right out.


Now you tell me.

It ran just fine like that for 2.5 years, and then I sold it back to Al.



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Re: Need some help
April 23, 2013 01:05AM
ah that were a fine wagon, I learned to drive in that very car...
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Re: Need some help
April 23, 2013 01:12AM
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Had customer that autoX'd one of those old Volvo years ago. He had a 1" strap bolted to the drivers side of engine and the drivers innner fender with a rubber exhaust washer for dampening at the fender. After I welded the tear in the fender a couple of times he finally decided to remove the brace.

:uh:

You should have charged him a bunch of money to triangulate the strap through a D ring, and out to some hard points.

Well crap, why didn't you tell me that about 30 years ago smiling smiley
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Re: Need some help
April 23, 2013 03:24PM
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Ken have you got to plate along the firewall where the braces bolt up yet? The nuts crack and tear right out.


Now you tell me.

It ran just fine like that for 2.5 years, and then I sold it back to Al.

Ahhhh.......

I'm surprised to see the heavy sound deadening material still in place in a racecar. It must have been effective at hiding the cracks....



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Re: Need some help
April 23, 2013 07:18PM
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Ken have you got to plate along the firewall where the braces bolt up yet? The nuts crack and tear right out.


Now you tell me.

It ran just fine like that for 2.5 years, and then I sold it back to Al.

Ahhhh.......

I'm surprised to see the heavy sound deadening material still in place in a racecar. It must have been effective at hiding the cracks....

It was my work rig for those years, a bit rough around the edges but it had a heart of gold.

I fitted those braces carefully so there was no slop or wiggle, put a hood bolt in the firewall, and snugged it down good.

No slop in the fittings goes a long way towards reducing fatigue failures.



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Re: Need some help
April 25, 2013 09:36AM
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I fitted those braces carefully so there was no slop or wiggle, put a hood bolt in the firewall, and snugged it down good.

No slop in the fittings goes a long way towards reducing fatigue failures.

No slop in fittings installed in that tin-foil is still fatigue failure even in street-driven cars! tongue sticking out smiley



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Re: Need some help
April 25, 2013 12:57PM
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I fitted those braces carefully so there was no slop or wiggle, put a hood bolt in the firewall, and snugged it down good.

No slop in the fittings goes a long way towards reducing fatigue failures.

No slop in fittings installed in that tin-foil is still fatigue failure even in street-driven cars! tongue sticking out smiley

There is actually a vertical brace that the weld nut is spot welded to.

As you may know the load runs on the surface as tension, and some sort of bracing or gusseting is usually needed to spread the load.

So by bolting the flat of the brace to the surface, the energy transfer is made without stressing the spot welds.



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