AE86 Silver Top 20 Valve Motor

Hell weren't BDAs making 250-odd HP in the *seventies*, from 2 liter carbureted engines?

And what's wrong with warming up 3hr before the race? You gotta warm it up, then after it's hot change the "warmup" plugs to the "race" plugs, change the oil, and recheck/reset the valve lash...

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Pete Remner
Cleveland, Ohio

1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing)
1978
Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver.

Pete Wrote:
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> Hell weren't BDAs making 250-odd HP in the
> *seventies*, from 2 liter carbureted engines?
>
>
Rally Cosworth BDGs were making 262 by 1977 @10,000 rpm
BDGs are 2,0

and just how much larger in percent is 2,0 than 1,6?
Yeeeeeeeeees? You there in back.

Yes about 25% larger.
And what is about 25% of 210-212 bhp, class?
Anyone?
Bueller?

And not to burst the bubbles of all the 4AGE fans here, a 4AGE is not a BDA or a BDG.
Spend 15,000 and it CAN BE.
But man is this off base now.
>
>
>
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>
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> Pete Remner
> Cleveland, Ohio
>
> 1984 RX-7 reshell
> 1978

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

If your refering to me, I do not worship the torqueless wonder that is the 4ag.

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Welcome to the cult of JVL drink the koolaid or be banned.

john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> Dazed_Driver Wrote:
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> > Formula Atlantic 1.6 liter 16v 4ag's made
> about
> > 250 hp... NA
> >
> > Feisty Peacock?
> When they were new and got the contract my memory
> says they made 212-220 bhp.
>
> But like everything else the number just keep
> growing.
>
> I wonder when those old motors made back then will
> reach 300?
>
>
>
>
> John Vanlandingham
> Sleezattle, WA, USA
>
> Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
>
> www.jvab.f4.ca


Ok, I made a mistake. Sue me. Have you gotten bitter within the last 4 months I've known you?

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Welcome to the cult of JVL drink the koolaid or be banned.

Dazed_Driver Wrote:
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> john vanlandingham Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Dazed_Driver Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Formula Atlantic 1.6 liter 16v 4ag's
> made
> > about
> > > 250 hp... NA
> > >
> > > Feisty Peacock?
> > When they were new and got the contract my
> memory
> > says they made 212-220 bhp.
> >
> > But like everything else the number just
> keep
> > growing.
> >
> > I wonder when those old motors made back then
> will
> > reach 300?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > John Vanlandingham
> > Sleezattle, WA, USA
> >
> > Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
> >
> > www.jvab.f4.ca
>
>
> Ok, I made a mistake. Sue me. Have you gotten
> bitter within the last 4 months I've known you?
>
>
> Feisty Peacock?


Here is an Atlantic engine in the Hasselgren drift car that makes 260hp NA


Why is there so much angst (teenage or otherwise) going around today? This isn't friggin MySpace. We all still like cars that go fast in the woods.

Tim

EDIT: Hey, somebody buy his engine!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/01/2008 03:44PM by Tim Taylor.

Anyone wanna buy a motor?

Actually, Timm you are correct.

Hasselgren motor's (4ag)f.a. are making 260hp!

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Michael LeCompte

Dazed_Driver Wrote:
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> john vanlandingham Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Dazed_Driver Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Formula Atlantic 1.6 liter 16v 4ag's
> made
> > about
> > > 250 hp... NA
> > >
> > > Feisty Peacock?
> > When they were new and got the contract my
> memory
> > says they made 212-220 bhp.
> >
> > But like everything else the number just
> keep
> > growing.
> >
> > I wonder when those old motors made back then
> will
> > reach 300?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > John Vanlandingham
> > Sleezattle, WA, USA
> >
> > Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
> >
> > www.jvab.f4.ca
>
>
> Ok, I made a mistake. Sue me. Have you gotten
> bitter within the last 4 months I've known you?

Not at all, we're just talking here.
At least I'm not making weird observations that sound like veiled threats about murder.
>
>
> Feisty Peacock?

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> At least I'm not making weird observations that
> sound like veiled threats about murder.

You're missing out! It's quite fun, you should try it

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Andrew M
Onterrible
30ish

I've read some wildly varying dyno results. How do they actually calibrate those things ?

heymagic Wrote:
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> I've read some wildly varying dyno results. How do
> they actually calibrate those things ?


Don't know but the pretty 1600 up there costs $45,000.

Yeah just the ticket.

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> heymagic Wrote:
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> > I've read some wildly varying dyno results.
> How do
> > they actually calibrate those things ?
>
>
> Don't know but the pretty 1600 up there costs
> $45,000.
>
> Yeah just the ticket.
>
> John Vanlandingham
> Sleezattle, WA, USA
>
> Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
>
> www.jvab.f4.ca

Can someone explain why?
Is it all RandD?
For 45K i think even i could get that much power out of that motor

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rally gods would turn in their graves if they ever knew Lada's were now part of EU rallying!!!

Formula Atlantic no longer uses the Toyota 4ag. I guess 45 grand was too much money even for them.

To reduce costs they switched to a MSR 2.3 Mazda engine built by Cosworth. I don't know the cam specs for sure on the race motor but the 260 horse version has 282 Duration / 11.3mm lift / 111ATDC. So the 300 horse version is prolly a shade over 300 duration. Motors are 12:1 compression and run on 108 octane leaded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_Atlantic#Race_equipment

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Michael LeCompte

Can I buy your throttles yet?

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Welcome to the cult of JVL drink the koolaid or be banned.

Dazed_Driver Wrote:
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> Can I buy your throttles yet?
>
>
> Feisty Peacock?

FIVE DOLLAH!!!

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.