Datsun Dogleg 5spd and a longer 5spd too

I like Wikipedia's list of cars it came in.

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Performance 'street cars' featuring the dog leg layout include the BMW M535, Early 635CSi (Non-US) and (Non-US) M3 E30, BMW 2002 Tii and Turbo, Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16 and 2.5-16, Ferrari 308 GTB/GTS, Ferrari Testarossa, Porsche 914, early 911, 924 Turbo (all featuring Getrag gearboxes) Porsche 928, Talbot Sunbeam Lotus, Vauxhall Firenza HPF the Lamborghini Miura, the Maserati Biturbo and the De Tomaso Pantera.

Non-performance cars available with the dog leg shift pattern include the Subaru 360, Datsun 160J Hardtop SSS, 78-80 Datsun 200sx, 1980 Datsun 210 Wagon (built during the 210/310 crossover), 78-80 Datsun 510, Citroën 2CV, Mercedes 190, Mercedes-Benz 200D and the model year 1976-77 Oldsmobile Cutlass or Pontiac LeMans with the 260 V8.

So that would make this the non-performance version right?

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john vanlandingham
No, Grant anybody over 16 knows what a dog-leg 5 speed is.
Anybody my age knows what they came on and why.

I didn't have a clue what dogleg was until 4-5 years ago. No car I've ever owned or driven had a dog leg first. I remember some VW or something like that that I drove once or twice that had reverse over there but that's it.
So I would say it's more like, anyone that was driving cars in the 70s or 80s when cars had dog legs.
Most 16-25 year olds these days don't know how to even drive a manual transmission.

You have a car that runs, therefore it could be of interest to you.
Timmay as we all know, doesn't, and therefore isn't, and won't.

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Robert Culbertson
I'm glad to be a part of the younger generation that can be self sufficient and get things done (mostly) on their own. I have put myself through college, and just recently got a ME degree. I also decided that graduate school would be more fun, and it pays better than my last job.
My dad showed me the ins and outs of cars and life, and I thank him for that.
I can weld, machine, break things, and come up with excuses to cover it all up faster than most. I think I'll fit right in racing cars.
Now only if school didn't take so much frikkin' time!

*steps off box and goes back out into garage to play on rally golf.

It's about one thing: a STRAIGHT slap back to go from whatever is "next to last gear" to top.
Imagine whipping along about 100 and having to do the stupid jog for 5th versus slapping the stick straight back.
When you're going fast you want to controls to be foolproof and normal 5ths are often sketch and stupid (and if you don't think so then you haven't driven hard enough on a road with curves).

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I slightly recall at least one rally car that suffered problems from hitting third instead of fifth and overspinning everything.

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I slightly recall at least one rally car that suffered problems from hitting third instead of fifth and overspinning everything.

Exactly. Whatever it is if its going to be a floor shift when its really going fast, you want it easy 'wham" straight back and straight forward for the downshift.
Realistically 99.99% of every car sold people are using top for cruise, for lower revs so its not some frantic thing like in those Finnish Starlets where it's crazy tight and possibly rutted and maybe bumpy and you need to hang on.

When I've been overseas renting rental cars I've been driving hard on "B" roads and doing a hail-mary pass in 4th and have missed 5th, hit 3rd at 90mph and seen the tach needle bouncing off the stop 2-3 times.
Scary!

Of course my only rally car has the closest thing to paddle shifter you can have with having paddle and all I need to do is spread the fingers to do a gearchange: right where Gawd intended---not down on the floor someplace (ugh)

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I pretty much always rallied my Datsuns with a dogleg trans. With 4:88 or 5:13 gears first is just to get you rolling a few feet. So your normal business is a conventional H pattern, pretty fool proof. After the start 1st and reverse are pretty much for mistakes so it's ok to have to hunt for them.

JVL lighten up on Timmay...he'll get that car done...about 6 mos after the last US rally happens.

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I pretty much always rallied my Datsuns with a dogleg trans. With 4:88 or 5:13 gears first is just to get you rolling a few feet. So your normal business is a conventional H pattern, pretty fool proof. After the start 1st and reverse are pretty much for mistakes so it's ok to have to hunt for them.

Mistakes or parking/pulling into garage or up onto the trailer.

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JVL lighten up on Timmay...he'll get that car done...about 6 mos after the last US rally happens.

Yeah. You're right.

About in time for the first World Grass-o-cross Gamez

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/10/2011 12:16PM by john vanlandingham.

http://community.ratsun.net/topic/31738-5-speed-transmission-rebuilt/

here's a longer tail one for sale in nocal for $150. Another guy posted in the thread the measurement differences between the long tail and short tail transmissions so you can tell a bit more what you got.

Dogleg's not worth a lot, but a pretty solid gearbox. i have one in my 510 anyhow.

To sell em off you might post em up on ratsun or the510realm.