20 yos are plenty capable of making intelligent decisions if they don't use youth as an excuse.

It's illegal for him to drink in this state at 20. It's illegal to drive when under the influence in this state. Obviously that doesn't bother him anymore than the existing novice/AWD rule. I hope he didn't bang a 12yo the same night...

I do agree with the attorney part as the penalties can get way out of hand and aren't always the same across the board. We need to lighten up a bit on first timer DUI and slap the piss out of un-insured drivers. YOU do have insurance???

We should NEVER lighten up on any DUI offender. They kill people. But I do agree on the o insurance thing...

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We should NEVER lighten up on any DUI offender. They kill people. But I do agree on the o insurance thing...

I'll explain what I meant. I had a GF that worked at a counseling agency,drugs and alcohol. If someone got a DUI and had to go to counseling as part of the sentence, this was the place. It cost the guilty party a fair amount of jingle. Now it gets tricky. The counseling agency decides how long you go and when treatment is done. Pretty self serving. I remember one of the counselers showing up at a Xmas party with a black eye from her hubby smacking her. Another drove a total POS because she couldn't manage to pay her bills. A couple were rehabbed themselves and at least one had a pretty good pot problem. Damaged goods at best. This is the part of DUI I don't agree with, especially first time offenders. Fine them, jail time is ok, maybe order a certain time to undergo treatment but limit that. 2nd offenders, throw the book at them. No mercy. It is a huge these days and needs dealt with, but fairly.

Its a crime, same as rape, armed robbery or building Volvo race cars . But seriously, 20 is more than old enough to know right from wrong and avoid situations that lead to disaster. They just had a news story on KING about our little town football team having nine members busted for drugs. Last years senior class was just as bad. Several were having UAs done and they devised a scheme where one clean kid would piss in a condom and they carried that on board.

2 of my sons classmates were killed coming back from a party in the woods their senior year in 07. It just isn't ok at 20, or 16 or 60.

So out of curiosity I did a quick Google search. Apparently getting a DUI when you are under 21 is not that big of a deal! This really pisses me off!

Driver Under 21 Consuming Alcohol (“Minor DUI”)

The crime of "driver under twenty-one consuming alcohol," sometimes called a "minor DUI," is classified as a misdemeanor and punishable by 0-90 days in jail and a $0-$1000 fine. If you are under age 21 and are either driving or in physical control of a motor vehicle with a breath or blood alcohol content of 0.02 – 0.079 within 2 hours of the time of the incident, you can be arrested for this charge.

A “minor DUI” conviction carries no mandatory jail, fines, or ignition interlock device requirement. If you are convicted of a “minor DUI” and face the unfortunate situation of later being accused of a DUI / DWI charge, then the prior “minor DUI” is not considered a “prior” for purposes of mandatory penalty enhancements in the new case. However, a judge would likely take it into consideration at sentencing.

An arrest for a "minor DUI" triggers a mandatory license suspension of at least 90 days by the Department of Licensing. This is based on Washington’s Implied Consent Law. You can (and we recommend should) contest this suspension by filing a request for a hearing with the Department of Licensing. This must be filed with the Department of Licensing within 20 days of the arrest for you to obtain a hearing. More information on DOL hearings can be found at: DOL Hearings.

If you are not a U.S. citizen, a minor DUI does not typically have any adverse affects on your status in the United States. However, we still recommend consulting with an immigration attorney before pleading guilty to any criminal charge if you are not a U.S. citizen.

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Robert.

"You are way too normal to be on Rally Anarchy." Eddie Fiorelli.

I agree Gene that definitely adds a level of "I call bull shit" to the proceedings.

My senior year one of my teachers told us at the beginning of the school year that we would loose someone we knew to an alcohol related accident, and it happened. 4 kids coming back from a party, the driver was being stupid and rolled the car, killing 2 passengers.

Robert, the levels mentioned are pretty low .02-.079. anything over .08 and the crime is full on. Interesting article though. Kind of a one chance while you're in hi school thing. Well intentioned but not what we need. The zero tolerance thing is more better. Drink at home I can deal with, stay off the roads. Kids that age don't have the driving skills to be driving even a little bit imparied.


Back in the day..we didn't have any serious alcohol or drug education in school. Our local cops were real dicks though. One kid actually got a speeding ticket on a skate board.
I got taken to the county jail late one night because the city cop said he heard a car squealing tires. He saw me on the road coming home from work and wrote me up....I had a flat head 6 Studebaker..it wasn't me. That one never even went to court.

I think we lost one kid to booze back then. It didn't seem to be the problem as now even with 'Nam and the revolution. I think less kids drove in the small town /farm environment.

My small town, around 50k, drinking was all anyone did. Applies to most of Wyoming. There's nothing really to do, there's no public transportation, there's maybe two cabs, and mostly fairly low income. I can think of four people who I went to school with that have died in drinking related accidents.

Colorado and New York have this stupid MADD influenced limitation called Driving While Ability Impaired. 0.05-0.79. They also got DUI lowered to 0.08. They also then had to change laws to allow patrons to leave a restaurant with a corked bottle of wine since now all couples would likely be over the limit after leaving a nice dinner. Now they're trying to figure out a test to start issuing citations to stoned drivers. They're easy to spot cause they usually are going 10 under the speed limit.

This is beyond sad.

Hope you turn your life and brain around some time soon.

Had 4 great friends die when they were hit by a drunk driver.

I got a dui once.

I've wrecked a few cars. (some weren't even mine)

Stole a bulldozer for a few hours. (THAT was fun)

got in a huge fight w/my parents and wasn't on speaking terms w/them for a few months.

I even got turned into a newt by a witch! (I got bettah)

However, i've done these things over a span of the last 20 years; not all in the same month. (although, its been a while since I stole that bulldozer)

Take it easy....calm down, breath. but you might want to sell that car and not worry about rally for a bit....maybe, like....10 years?

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NoCoast
My small town, around 50k,

50K is small?? LOL....my hometown in VT had 5,000 people in it. You had to drive 30 minutes just to get to a stop light.

VT was actually pretty strict with drinking and it was damned near impossible to get a fake ID, so when we did get alcohol, we'd go sneak off in the woods somewhere and camp out, get drunk, and fuck squirrel holes.

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Jon Burke
I got a dui once.

I've wrecked a few cars. (some weren't even mine)

Stole a bulldozer for a few hours. (THAT was fun)

got in a huge fight w/my parents and wasn't on speaking terms w/them for a few months.

I even got turned into a newt by a witch! (I got bettah)

However, i've done these things over a span of the last 20 years; not all in the same month. (although, its been a while since I stole that bulldozer)

Take it easy....calm down, breath. but you might want to sell that car and not worry about rally for a bit....maybe, like....10 years?

10 years? really, that seems a little harsh no? i was thinking id sell the car, get through all this DUI stuff, and move to burien. then go to highline community college, transfer to a university, and in 5-6 years ill be rallying... maybe 7 since the DUI will probably set me back a year or so. i was going to join the navy or airforce, but i think that is out of the question now that i have a DUI. Either way i made a really stupid decision, but ive gotta say, its almost inevitable that i get into trouble someway or another living on this island. I've lost 3 friends on this island due to drunk driving, but even more to the island itself. ive seen lots of kids my age get out of highschool and just hang around here, until they get into drugs and shit, and then its a long slippery slope down from there on out.



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Join the military and they can help the dui go away.

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aj_johnson
Join the military and they can help the dui go away.

At taxpayer expense.

Bad idea.

We already waste nearly 60% of our Federal budget on "defense".


Multiple times the next 20 countries combined.
It is mainly welfare for "defense" contractors

Think what you're saying. The country is nearly bankrupt from decades of insanely inflated waste to a number of huge corporations and we should pay MORE so that the poor kid can squirm out of his foolishness?

These corporations' profits, the real goal of our national defense expenditures is a national fraud and disgrace:
COMPANIES BY RANKING
2010 Company Contracts 2009
1 Lockheed Martin Corp. $16,700,588,328 1
2 Northrop Grumman Corp. $11,145,533,497 3
3 Boeing Co. $10,462,626,196 2
4 Raytheon Co. $6,727,232,555 5
5 Science Applications International Corp. $5,474,482,583 7
6 General Dynamics Corp. $5,431,882,984 4
7 KBR Inc. $4,545,440,824 6
8 L-3 Communications Corp. $4,176,624,682 8
9 Booz Allen Hamilton $3,352,844,339 10
10 Computer Sciences Corp. $3,293,278,386 9
11 Hewlett-Packard Co. $2,564,014,201 12
12 Dell Computer Corp. $2,270,000,000 15
13 Harris Corp. $2,165,268,040 13
14 ITT Corp. $2,074,983,916 11
15 BAE Systems Inc. $1,956,884,247 14
16 CACI International Inc. $1,911,928,093 20
17 IBM Corp. $1,774,623,164 18
18 Deloitte LLP $1,730,165,554 51
19 Verizon Communications Inc. $1,721,565,974 16
20 Jacobs Engineering Group Inc. $1,634,268,549 19
21 United Technologies Corp. $1,476,229,982 17
22 Battelle Memorial Institute $1,335,906,153 21
23 DynCorp International LLC $1,258,019,560
24 URS Corp. $1,225,071,020 22
25 DRS Technologies Inc. $1,006,436,334 23
26 Rockwell Collins Inc. $951,046,892 35
27 Accenture $924,092,794 25
28 Honeywell International Inc. $915,809,845 30
29 Serco Inc. $874,739,954 28
30 SRA International Inc. $869,734,080 26
31 ManTech International Corp. $855,567,586 48
32 Sprint Nextel Corp. $848,854,000 27
33 General Electric Co. $844,458,207 24
34 Aerospace Corp. $835,402,095 29
35 Apptis Inc. $826,790,863 50
36 Bechtel Corp. $756,597,943
37 VSE Corp. $686,912,905 31
38 Unisys Corp. $666,332,137 32
39 General Atomics $661,619,386 36
40 QinetiQ North America Inc. $660,647,787 34
41 Alion Science and Technology Corp. $625,817,000 39
42 SGT Inc. $602,586,194 62
43 Combat Support Associates $579,957,228 41
44 Stanley Inc. $572,197,243 45
45 Wyle Laboratories Inc. $571,152,677 43
46 AT&T Inc. $557,855,301 42
47 Fluor Corp. $533,950,701
48 Alliant Techsystems Inc. $520,341,034 37
49 Arinc Inc. $501,641,640 44
50 Comtech Telecommunications Corp. $495,744,635 81
51 Chemonics International Inc. $476,304,239 70
52 CDW Government LLC $465,619,910 60
53 World Wide Technology Inc. $440,684,035 46
54 Arctic Slope Regional Corp. $430,015,537 58
55 Nana Regional Corp. $429,673,300 47
56 Qwest Communications International Inc. $427,120,938 55
57 Vangent Inc. $419,731,090 52
58 immixGroup Inc. $403,719,325 93
59 GTSI Corp. $383,844,248 49
60 Tetra Tech Inc. $381,344,102 56
61 Development Alternatives Inc. $379,600,000 59
62 Mission Essential Personnel $375,973,219 82
63 Coffey International Ltd. $367,621,087
64 Xerox Corp. $353,041,647 75
65 Eyak Technology LLC $342,368,972 65
66 ICF International Inc. $340,845,273 99
67 RTI International $338,846,391 66
68 Chenega Corp. $324,548,094 61
69 CH2M Hill Companies Ltd. $317,146,896 87
70 Shaw Group Inc. $306,356,970 85
71 NCI Information Systems Inc. $301,731,100 72
72 Westat Inc. $291,640,068 69
73 Artel Inc. $266,739,661 76
74 Trax International Corp. $266,369,223
75 Cubic Corp. $266,105,255 96
76 Louis Berger Group Inc. $259,546,578
77 Scientific Research Corp. $259,438,652 88
78 Sierra Nevada Corp. $246,678,386
79 Siemens Corp. $238,809,098 90
80 Chugach Alaska Corp. $229,526,943 74
81 Southwest Research Institute $229,018,335
82 CGI Group Inc. $228,061,083 78
83 Telos Corp. $223,008,225 63
84 Alutiiq LLC $219,762,894 91
85 Energy Enterprise Solutions LLC $216,105,776
86 Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp. $213,982,367 73
87 ICS Nett Inc. $212,217,576
88 Oracle Corp. $206,931,072 80
89 InDyne Inc. $205,171,900 71
90 Camber Corp. $204,581,854
91 Motorola Inc. $203,986,410 64
92 Creative Associates International Inc. $193,922,433
93 Orbital Sciences Corp. $192,467,905 83
94 Teledyne Technologies Inc. $187,643,748 77
95 MicroTech LLC $180,368,009
96 STG Inc. $178,969,267 94
97 Concurrent Technologies Corp. $175,568,824
98 Cobham plc $173,304,406 95
99 Carahsoft Technology Corp. $172,359,708
100 Rolls-Royce Group plc $171,065,429

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aj_johnson
Join the military and they can help the dui go away.

I'm curious what you mean by this. I know if I got a DUI the Air Force would punish me by taking rank on top of whatever the local government would do.

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shiza

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aj_johnson
Join the military and they can help the dui go away.

I'm curious what you mean by this. I know if I got a DUI the Air Force would punish me by taking rank on top of whatever the local government would do.

Everybody always says judges and procecuters "will go easy on" DUIs and violent perps "If the perp joins______________".

Certainly in decades past they would.....specially in Peacetime when recruitment was a problem..

Now with perpetual unemployment and open ended forever "The War Against Terror" seems recruitment is doing fine, just as planned...
Today 100 Special Forces "operatives" arrived in Uganda to "train' the locals on dealing with 'terr'ists".

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.