Need some advice with selling my Mazdog GTX

Ok so i found this yahoo GTX group and ive had loads of guys calling about transmissions and stuff. one guy is offering $600 plus shipping for one of the trannies, the other guys only want to pay about 2-300, which is understandable because who knows if the trannies are even good anyways. now i do have one J-spec transmission with some better ratios or something and that one is GOOOD. however, the previous owner told me that some "slight" modification would need to be done to get it to bolt up properly. so im wondering if anyone knows anything about this thing... i compared the bolt pattern and it does appear that 1 or 2 bolts do not line up. then ive got 1 more spare that is stock, and im not sure if its good or not. is there ANY way i can find out without actually putting it into the car and testing it? as for the car, i put it up for 700 bucks, but then i got loads of offers on parts, so im thinking that parting it out might be the best thing to do, any thoughts on this from you older, wiser folks out there?

thanks,
John

I was thinking of buying it from you to part it out. Take your time with listing stuff, ask a reasonable price, and be ready to answer lots of meaninless questions.

pretty much with selling any (modified) car, parting it out will make more money than selling it whole.

but, it's also a lot more work for you to pull parts off, handle a bunch of different sales, and eventually get whatever is left to a metal recycler.

unfortunately nobody but yourself can probably answer whether it's better for you to get a little money, little hassle, and have the whole thing gone in one fell swoop, or to spend a lot of effort, get more money, deal with 10x as many potential buyers, and have the thing slowly leave.

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John, fer sure those trannies can fetch $600. The ONLY thing to do is tell people just what you know. Don't talk them down, don't embelish..

"They were spares for a rally car. as spares Iwould presume they worked OK, and I was told they work OK, that's all I know (because my X-Ray vision glasses battery's broken)(<-----don't say that!)"

Something like that.

Yes you'll make more parting out cause the car is pranged---AND YOU HAVE MADE ZERO EFFORT TO FIX IT.

But parting---just like banging the car back into shape---and making it sell worthy---both require you working on it if you want to transform the hunk into dollars...

And parting also requires you doing the work to scare up pallets, packing shit, loading big items onto pallets and delivering them to a terminal..

THAT is why a old Maz-dog trans costs what it costs.

You ready to work on the car?
Cause you have to work on it one way or the other, there's just no escaping it.

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

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Step 1. Get everything off the island.

Parting out cars is fools gold for the amount of labor involved typically. Once you have the car and parts in a sensible location, here's what you need to do.

Step zero: Determine a list of parts that you have for sale. Determine which of those parts you wish to list for sale. Measure the size, figure out which ones can fit in flat rate boxes and which need boxes, and determine the weight of each part.
Step one: List parts online in a variety of places. Keep track of those places as you will have to check back and answer any questions and messages.
Step two: Correspond with 10 jackasses for each part. With luck a few of those will actually be capable of purchasing said item. With more luck you might find one to actually pay you for it. Be prepared to estimate shipping for almost every person, hence why you need the size and weight of parts in step zero.
Step three: Receive payment.
Step four: Ship the item as quickly as you can to the person that paid you. The internet is unforgiving typically and communities like the GTX owners will spread the word if you take forever or are a pain in the ass to deal with.

Another option is the "Parting out car" post and people can request parts they want or need. I know I don't even bother with people posting ads like that as they don't respond when I low ball them on a part.

I'd suggest loading up all the nicest stuff into the car and getting it off the island and then finding a truck to load up the rest and taking it to a scrap yard to dump for weight. Might get you a little money.

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Grant Hughes

That transmission is probably a BPT transmission, not the B6-T that the US gtx's came with. They bolt up to the motor just fine, but the tilt on the block castings is different between the 1.6L and 1.8 L engines. The bpt trans is supposed to be stronger that the b6t fir what that's worth.

Dave

I'm with Grant..get the car off the island. If it had been on the mainland I'd likely have bought it already, maybe Sean as well. None of us need it, the price is right, the fix isn't too bad but getting the car over here makes it totally not a consideration.

If the first part you sell makes the remainder junk then make sure you get a good price for that part. If you sell the framlich for $20 and it is the last one in the world and the car will never move without it ...

The G25MX-R (normally mated to a 1.8L DOHC turbo) transmission does not have an electric motor to lock the diff, it has a Viscous center diff. The G5MX-R, found in the USDM 4WD Protege (and 1989 323 4WD) has an electronic-locking differential.

There's a rumored slight difference between (BG chassis) GTR and GTX box, with the GTR box supposedly having shot-peened first and second gears, but I haven't had the two open to notice any differences. the manual says the only difference is in the speedometer gear ratios. I don't know of a way to externally tell the difference between the two.

I've seen the GTR box go for $750 shipped many times.

Attached is a bit from the 1992 FSM GT-R supplement:
G25MX-R


From the the naturally-aspirated 4WD protege FSM:
G5MX-R


and from the BF 323 FSM.

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Jorden R. Kleier
Baraboo, Wisconsin, USA
1990 Mazdog Protege 4WD
1973



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/10/2012 03:19PM by SgtRauksauff.

the damage is not that bad, get a Q-panel from a wrecker and scab it on, sell it as a rallycar. Some perv will buy it and there will be one more rallist in the woods, plus you'll make more money this way.

win win, no?

with the time you've spent emailing, listing it and fretting about it, you've could have hacked that panel out and welded a new one on? right??

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Gravel Spray
the damage is not that bad, get a Q-panel from a wrecker and scab it on, sell it as a rallycar. Some perv will buy it and there will be one more rallist in the woods, plus you'll make more money this way.

win win, no?

with the time you've spent emailing, listing it and fretting about it, you've could have hacked that panel out and welded a new one on? right??

Ain't it the fuckin truth?

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

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is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

the thing is, the cage is slightly bent where the tree hit the car. another drawback is that the car has no logbook, and the cage would have to be modified to get a new one. i could be wrong, but looking at the car, it seems like the ammount of work that would have to be done to make it look ok again, and get the door to close, and shit like that, just seems massive. It looks like the GTR transmission is probably what ive got over there, but is there any way i could confirm this? i might not even have time to strip the car down and part it, so perhaps my best bet would be to sell some of the spare parts, like tail lights, cv axles... then sell the car separate, sell the J-spec transmission separate, and maybe sell the other spare tranny separate. we'll see what happens this week though. if i can get all my homework done before the weekend comes maybe i can run up there again.

Just sell the whole car to someone who's got the time and tools to do a part out or who wants to run it in a Lemons or rallyx beater type thing.

Remember, a few weeks ago you'd have been thrilled to get $700 for everything. Don't let those $ $ signs in your eyes get in the way of reality because when it comes down to it, lots of people will tell you they want something and will just end up stringing you along.

Time to sell it (cheap) and move on.

Dave

I'm trying to remember that through all of this, but ive gotten so many phone calls from guys that sound like they are totally desperate for parts. especially those transmissions. ive already got one practically sold for 600+ shipping, which is almost as much as what i was going to sell it all for. it just seems like id be throwing away alot of hypothetical cash if i just went along and sold it all for the original asking price of 700.

I had a GTX that I put over $20k into and it took me almost 6 months to sell it for just $5k. I had 3 guys that "really wanted to buy it" but when it came down to putting a $500 deposit on it...crickets. Bummer that you never got to race it...they really are fun little cars and surprisingly strong if you don't hit stuff sideways :





Didn't even break a window and drove it back down to the start line after they pulled me out of the stream bed. LOL

If you do have a BPT transmission and a B6T transmission, I'd say selling the BPT separately won't hurt the value too much and might put a few more bucks in your pocket. While the BPT trans does bolt to the motor, there are so many things needed to make it all fit (new motor mounts, IC piping, frame rail notching maybe?) its not likely worth it to someone dropping $1k on a crashed car with no logbook.

Dave

thanks for sharing the video, looks like a crazy stage from what i saw. really brings back memories of driving my GTX and got my heart pumping just watching haha. yeah unfortunately i doubt anyone would buy it to race it, most likely just for parts or something.

here are the two transmissions i have, just got the pictures of them a minute ago.


and these are CV's rite?